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Offline ArZFisher

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New proposed bag limit for Bart and Rosey
« on: June 20, 2013, 02:33 PM »
Just read on AZGFD that they are going to have some meetings talking about reducing the the unlimited bag limit from Bart and Rosey to a 15 limit per day. I know I have heard in past on this site that some people should like to see this happen. I mean if the lakes were so full of slabs that they were starting to take over then ok then I could see a unlimited # on catch. I have not heard of that any where hear. Out of Bartlett this year I think I have caught 2 dinks total this year. Now is this a good sign or bad?? I would like to see this proposal for the 15 bag limit per day happen. It should make for better fishing and better numbers. Here is link to AZGFD website. They got a article on it. http://azgfd.net/artman/publish/NewsMedia/Arizona-Game-and-Fish-Department-proposes-new-fishing-regulations.shtml

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Re: New proposed bag limit for Bart and Rosey
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2013, 05:00 PM »
I think it is a great idea and long overdue for bartlett, wish they would of included alamo but that regions fisheries person didn't get on board which is a shame, alamo gets beat up worse than most of the lakes due to being so small now and the incredible number of snow birds that camp there all winter and spring (for free) off the state parks land. Sure would reduce the crappie rapist that exist in this world. What could g and f due about illegal stocking of gizzard shad in roosevelt :dontknow: lake pleasant would be nice to be on the list but that crappie population is being tore up by the stripers so they will have to fend for themselves unless someone figures away to reduce that population, and after the spawn the stripers had last year with no runoff no nutrients in the water the number of 12" stripers this year is staggering.
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Re: New proposed bag limit for Bart and Rosey
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2013, 05:41 PM »
Thank you for posting this.

There is lots of proof that "over fishing" has no negative impact on healthy populations of Crappie. Golden algae, land locked stripers that eat everything and thread-fins competing with gizzards will.

Catch rates for most are down so a bag limit that is more than we catch away is pointless. San Carlos had a 25 a day limit yet it was allowed (no fault of Game and Fish mind you) to go dry. The bag limit means nothing if the "real problems" aren't dealt with.

We (The AZCA) puts a 10" minimum length limit on all Crappie at our events and many of us practice this all the time. This is even more proof that sportsmen are the true protectors of the resource.

I hope to make this meeting.
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Re: New proposed bag limit for Bart and Rosey
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2013, 05:50 PM »
The biggest problem at Bartlett is SRP dropping the lake in the spring.

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Re: New proposed bag limit for Bart and Rosey
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2013, 05:53 PM »
I just got back from Minnesota.  We caught lots of crappie in one lake, day after day.  Their lakes are full of them and they have 10,000 lakes.  They enforce limits because they know fishing pressure affects fish population.  There must be something to it. 

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Re: New proposed bag limit for Bart and Rosey
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2013, 07:44 PM »
Thank you for posting this.

There is lots of proof that "over fishing" has no negative impact on healthy populations of Crappie. Golden algae, land locked stripers that eat everything and thread-fins competing with gizzards will.

Catch rates for most are down so a bag limit that is more than we catch away is pointless. San Carlos had a 25 a day limit yet it was allowed (no fault of Game and Fish mind you) to go dry. The bag limit means nothing if the "real problems" aren't dealt with.

We (The AZCA) puts a 10" minimum length limit on all Crappie at our events and many of us practice this all the time. This is even more proof that sportsmen are the true protectors of the resource.

I hope to make this meeting.

I agree100%

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Re: New proposed bag limit for Bart and Rosey
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2013, 04:39 AM »
The biggest problem at Bartlett is SRP dropping the lake in the spring.

g and f is hoping to start working with SRP on some of these issues

g and f is seeing the results of raping of crappie at some of the lakes, especially since it has become a 12 month a year fishing season unlike not to many years ago when it was a spring time event and then if a person wanted to set up lights at night, increase population more fishing hours devoted to taking and other issues, glad they are finally taking notice and planning on doing something, I plan to be at all the meetings down here in the valley.
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Re: New proposed bag limit for Bart and Rosey
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2013, 06:09 AM »
I would like to see this a state wide limit, not just Bartlett and Rosey! 

My only son is getting married July 15th or I would SOOO make that meeting but I will make the drives to some of the others as I can.  The published consideration is without consideration of the other choices as written.  How about a minimal size limit and no fishing during the spawn statewide as many eastern crappie lakes have done for years?  At least that makes some kind of sense.  Of course you would then also need to do some kind of patrols which I never see unless up north at a trout pond.
Why the sudden caring for crappie by AZGFD?  I have never seen it before, have any of you?

Congrats Bob!  Give him my best wishes and let me know where he is registered!

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Re: New proposed bag limit for Bart and Rosey
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2013, 09:37 AM »
I would like to see the science behind the proposal.

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Re: New proposed bag limit for Bart and Rosey
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2013, 10:05 AM »
Sandman, it is not a science as much as it is a theory. G and F deal with a ton of issues about stuff. The biggest theory that drives them is "money". If we regulate the lakes better(which could be done but cost money), then more people will catch variety which in turn creates more interest and more money.

I personally would like to see the a limit. Had no problems with 25 at SC.

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Re: New proposed bag limit for Bart and Rosey
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2013, 12:57 PM »
Hell I would just like to catch 10 crappie every time I go out. So you all need to start throwing back all your fish so I will have something to catch. I release 99.9% of the fish I catch and in the last few years catching has been real slow

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Re: New proposed bag limit for Bart and Rosey
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2013, 01:26 PM »
Lots of very good points have been made. I think it would be wise to limit the catch state wide. I also understand why they don't have a limit in stripers in pleasant right. Their are so many under sized fish fighting for bait pretty soon we will have all dink stripers. But that's another topic.

I mean really we need more than 15 slabs at a time. That's a lot of fish. And are they doing it like dove or quail where you can posses limit is 15 a day, with a 30 possession limiting??
I think that would be great and still a lot of fish.
 
Like FishHawk said I release more fish than I keep. I am not a real big fish eater but I do like crappie more than any other fish. I really just like the whole line pulling and good times on water. Lately I just can't get enough of slab catching thou. Also like hawk said I would be happy with 10 very time I went out. Glad to see everyone's opinions.

No problem on the post Piscolli. I figured it might generate a lil buzz for site since it been dead here lately

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Re: New proposed bag limit for Bart and Rosey
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2013, 08:46 PM »
The proposal is 15 per fisherman, which means if there are 2 anglers in your boat that's 30 crappie and 45 if there are 3 anglers. As far as Roosevelt, I don't remember the last time I had a 30 crappie day and that's a darn shame! ..........Art 

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Re: New proposed bag limit for Bart and Rosey
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2013, 06:50 AM »
I would like to see this a state wide limit, not just Bartlett and Rosey! 



agree with this, don't know why Alamo wasn't included.

as far as crappie spawn this year at Bartlett it may not have been very good due to SRP :dontknow: :banghead: the first group of crappie moved up shallow to spawn (real shallow) as they always do to find the warmest water and due to our goofy spring that took a while, SRP brought Bartlett up to 100% and right in the middle of that group up they shut off flows from horse shoe lake and droppeed Bartlett down 7-8' for some reason with water still in horseshoe and Verde flows stable :banghead: SRP did that 3 time this spring the worse was right at the full moon phase when the biggest group of crappie made their move up so they spawn a little deeper but SRP dropped the lake a bunch :crybaby2: not all crappie follow the rules and spawn on full moons but SRP could not of timed a worse drop in lake levels at Bartlett than they did this year. On the other hand Roosevelt probably had a fantastic spawn as that lake went up real slow and actually was stable for months and the crappie were up playing all spring. Actuallly g and f did quite a bit of creel surveys at bartlett and looked at their fish survey results from their past years etc. and the new fisheries boss Chris Cantrell actually seems to care about improving our warm water fisheries.
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Re: New proposed bag limit for Bart and Rosey
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2013, 08:23 PM »
Plus with San Carlos being nonexistant that will push all the Crappie guys to the other lakes.  So this might not be a bad idea for the forseable future.