Arizona Crappie Association

Fishing and Dock Talk => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bob M on January 20, 2013, 04:07 PM

Title: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: Bob M on January 20, 2013, 04:07 PM
Suppose you fished beside another boat on Bartlett today for an hour or better (one guy in a boat all by himself) and watched him get into a small school of biting crappie only to then realize as he flips them into his boat one right after the other that he has 5 rods with double baits on all in the water at the same time.  Must be that new 5 pole stamp.  :icon_scratch:  A quick 6 fish straight into his cooler, all throw backs to us except 1, then his buddy pulls up beside him with 5 rods out between the two in his boat and they also boat a quick several dinks. :dink:

For further thought consider you have ALL of this recorded on two HD video cameras that are mounted to your boat and were already recording when you first pulled into the area.  What would you do with this info?  Not wanting to stir up crap here guys but if I have to follow the rules I think everyone should! :angry4:
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: cousinlll on January 20, 2013, 04:40 PM
The easiest answer for all of us that were not there is to say turn them in: http://www.azgfd.gov/ogt.shtml or http://www.azgfd.gov/ogt_form.shtml  You know the deal Bob, it's easy to hide behind a keyboard!

My initial thought was to ask 1) if you talked with them 2) were they locals or snowbirds  - but do these questions really matter as responsible sportsman know the rules.  It all boils down to how far YOU want to take it.  Easy for me to sit here and suggest you to email the videos to Game & Fish when I'm uncertain what I would even do in a similar situation.  I would certainly support your decision to become involved.  Part of the AZCA motto is to "Promote & Protect" - is this the time to "protect" our delicate Crappie resource while at the same time "promoting" the club's push for a 10" minimum using this event as a beginning dialog with Game & Fish......

LLL


 


Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: Fish Hawk on January 20, 2013, 04:52 PM
The easiest answer for all of us that were not there is to say turn them in: http://www.azgfd.gov/ogt.shtml or http://www.azgfd.gov/ogt_form.shtml  You know the deal Bob, it's easy to hide behind a keyboard!

My initial thought was to ask 1) if you talked with them 2) were they locals or snowbirds  - but do these questions really matter as responsible sportsman know the rules.  It all boils down to how far YOU want to take it.  Easy for me to sit here and suggest you to email the videos to Game & Fish when I'm uncertain what I would even do in a similar situation.  I would certainly support your decision to become involved.  Part of the AZCA motto is to "Promote & Protect" - is this the time to "protect" our delicate Crappie resource while at the same time "promoting" the club's push for a 10" minimum using this event as a beginning dialog with Game & Fish......

LLL

Well said LLL +1
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: Piscolli on January 20, 2013, 05:10 PM
Promote/ Protect!
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: Mike / T on January 20, 2013, 05:12 PM
If had the chance would let them know what I thought which child molesting is a crime....... and should not be done
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: Fishless on January 20, 2013, 05:31 PM
The 10" rule is just a crappie club protocol and decision, gives the little guys a chance to grow up and be useable :dontknow:

Would I turn them in, you bet I would ;D I call in OGT calls all the time actually called in one couple years ago and a g and f officer was available, met with him explained what I saw he went over and observed violations for some time and gave the guy a fist full of citations. g and f WM are spread thin and they use the reporting system to make lots of cases, if you have video and have boat numbers I would call it in, in most cases someone from g and f will call you back and they can make a case from there. We took pictures of some (tree huggers) disrupting a hunt years ago, actually they helped out but my buddy had a great long range zoom camera and snapped pictures including the vehicle and license plate and that info was given to game and fish and it actually helped in a case they were making against one of the individuals. Bob it might not go anywhere but when I see stupid people or people that should of read the rules and know them and think they can do what they want heck yes I report them. One problem is I have never seen a g and f boat on bartlett lake ever in all my years of fishing there :dontknow: If they had hooks on the lines and they were in the water and there were more than two poles out report it, even if they can not make a case the WM can have the info so if he/she is out on the lake or even up using binoculars above the lake and see the boat they can keep an eye on it, you would be surprised how many people get pinged thinking they can pull stuff because they don't see a patrol boat on the lake and the officer is up glassing the lake with good binoculars and just waits for them to come in or gets the patrol boat out. If I see patrol boats out on a lake and someone is being a complete idiot driving a boat whether fisherman or "lake lice" I will call the non-emergency number for sheriff etc. and report it.
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: Peeps on January 21, 2013, 07:09 AM
Knowing of this violation would bug me for months if I didn't turn them in.  We all need to protect our resources.
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: The Desert Rat on January 21, 2013, 07:57 AM
I ,too, would turn him him. Matter of issue,violaters bred violaters---some intentionally, many out of ignorance. Undoubtedley, while bragging about their catch, they will discuss their methodology of rigging and the virus grows from there. Campin Nana and I see violaters all the time. We generally approach them, explain our position with The Crappie Assoc  and our committment to the G&F Philosophys. More times than not, we are "Thanked and appreciated" ( Nana has great presentation skills)
The bottom line----We have an obligation!!!!
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: OneBlade on January 21, 2013, 08:25 AM
I ,too, would turn him him. Matter of issue,violaters bred violaters---some intentionally, many out of ignorance. Undoubtedley, while bragging about their catch, they will discuss their methodology of rigging and the virus grows from there. Campin Nana and I see violaters all the time. We generally approach them, explain our position with The Crappie Assoc  and our committment to the G&F Philosophys. More times than not, we are "Thanked and appreciated" ( Nana has great presentation skills)
The bottom line----We have an obligation!!!!
I think that's right on.  Do talk to them first and see what sort of response you get.  You might get a sincere acceptable response, or an a$$hole response and can decide from there what to do.  Nothing worse at least for me is the backyard neighbor who sent me a certified letter carbon copied to the HOA asking me to fix my backyard adjoining wall.  At least for the first contact, he could have just stopped by my house and we could have chatted, right?

Side note - I'm probably the last guy in this group who doesn't want more than 2 poles per person.  I've seen enough folks come in with coolers of crappie wondering if they left any in the lake for the rest of us.  I'd even prefer a 20 crappie max daily limit per person but you didn't hear me say that.
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: Art Chamberlin on January 22, 2013, 11:50 AM
Good for you Bob, I support you 110%! ..........Art
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: PhishingPhreek on January 22, 2013, 01:11 PM
Update...  Report just filed, will see where it goes from here.

I completely support this. There is no excuse to not follow the rules and regulations. If they know the pole limit rule, who do they think they are to believe the laws don't apply to them? If they're claiming ignorance, I care even less. Ignorance is never an excuse because of the availability of fishing regs and informative websites.
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: Fishless on January 26, 2013, 06:41 AM
Bob, may not be over yet. g and f gets a lot of OGT calls and web reports it takes them time to sort through the info and pass it along to the appropriate person whether it be an investigator or the area WM. then again it may get ignored which is ashamed you should at least be contacted to inform you of what is or is not happening, I will call a buddy who is a WM in a different area and ask him what normally happens. Even if they can't or won't be able to make a case someone should at the very least contact you.
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: menrats on January 27, 2013, 06:44 AM
im with u matt. 20 fish in an outing is great plenty otherwise peeps might think were saning for em. but pole numbers are different id like 4 so i could put different rigs and depths on each to help score those 20. id like us to put cheap sign up at the major landings describing the major crappie regs and then our asssessment of the lake and a recommended limit on numbers and size based upon our assessment, like the asca recomends leaving the little ones and no more than 25, or this lakes in trouble take the littles but leave the big mommas.
 as to the thread, way to go bob. on the other hand since ure on the water a bunch u dont want to be the policeman for the lake. u might come up with a schtick sayin their on camera dont know if they know the regs here they are knock if off or next time youll report em. scare the poop out of em and move on.
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: BloodyDuck2 on January 28, 2013, 11:55 PM
Bob thank you for turning his ass in. :sign0098:
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: sparkchaser on February 12, 2013, 10:26 AM
No response sucks, but a least you tried. Very frustrating, when most of us do abide by the regs.
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: BloodyDuck2 on February 12, 2013, 06:06 PM
Can't you post the video on the forum? At least a face picture?
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: Piscolli on February 13, 2013, 06:30 AM
Can't you post the video on the forum? At least a face picture?

Let's not do that please
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: menrats on February 13, 2013, 06:54 AM
second that we dont need to show examples of cheates especially that dont suffer any consequences. maybe time to remind everyone what happens if u do get busted. i dont know myself but im sure its really bad. haha but it does suck to play by the rules and watch hozers cheatin but i feel the same way when i see folks keeping tiny fish or damaging flora and fauna needlessly or thinking the gov can spend and spend with noone but those dasterdly rich folks paying for it.....oops sorry... but how fing stupid can peeps be. woe is us were drowning in our own chit.
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: wally g on February 13, 2013, 07:05 AM
I joined a fishing club not police fishing club!!
Let it go. You did the right thing . now it's over.
It's not good for the club.

  Wally G
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: Piscolli on February 13, 2013, 10:01 AM
It sucks that G&F didn't do anything but its good that you reported it.
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: Fishless on February 14, 2013, 05:44 PM
glad to hear that, hopefully they follow up on it
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: wadefisherman on February 14, 2013, 05:51 PM
Ditto!
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: menrats on February 15, 2013, 07:35 AM
everyone now with a phone is a cop. is that good or bad. if this goes to court guess who gets a subpoena to take their day off and sit in court and make an enemy out of some fin loser with who knows what mental background. hmmmm. good for u bob. but these buggers better get more than a 150 dollar fine for your efforts. keep us posted. hopefully theyll just pay the ticket and move on. i see nothing i hear nothing if only i could speak nothing. :munky2:
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: Fishless on February 15, 2013, 04:09 PM
I am waiting for my subpoena to testify on an OGT incident, told the WM to feel free to call me in and he was (that's great thanks) and he said plan on it, I can't wait to tell the judge about the idiots ;D
Title: Re: Cheater on the lake, would you turn him in?
Post by: kicked back on March 01, 2013, 09:02 AM
 >:(yes I am new as far as posting go's but not fishing. I would turn him in with out hesitation along with pic's of the set up and his boat. There is no excuse for not following the rules. How do we know if he even has a license? someone doing that is open to do what ever else they feel like. that is not a case of "I did not know" it's "I don't care". sorry if this seems harsh but that's how I feel. >:(