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Fishing and Dock Talk => General Discussion => Topic started by: FishMan on August 28, 2019, 10:13 PM

Title: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on August 28, 2019, 10:13 PM
Ok all our smart people.....this storm definitely hit Roosevelt, Bartlett, and even San Carlos.....how much made it to the lakes?
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on August 29, 2019, 09:55 AM
Very, very little. The storm rolled through the valley and not the mountains, so all the water is draining below the lake chains.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on August 29, 2019, 05:55 PM
Yesterday's storm isn't doing much, but this storm going on near the Verde Valley might help Horseshoe and Bartlett quite a bit!
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on August 29, 2019, 06:09 PM
huge increase, Verde river went from 48cfs to 65cfs going into Horseshoe, so dry out rain all absorbed by the dry ground. Monsoons very seldom make much of a difference unless you talk about inches of rain quickly
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on August 29, 2019, 06:12 PM
I don't think the rain from this storm will make its way to Horseshoe for a few hours. Based on how red and centralized it is, it's coming down really hard and fast. Won't be much, but it's better than what we've had.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fish Hawk on August 30, 2019, 07:18 AM
We've had some good rain this week at my place in Payson.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on September 23, 2019, 08:07 PM
😀
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on September 24, 2019, 06:06 AM
Strange showed big storms near Alamo but the rivers are doing nothing either is the Verde or salt, Tonto creek came up some but falling back off, Agua fria peaked out at 6,000cfs but already back down to 100 or so with the rain in some areas I got 1.85" in north valley not much is running off yet :dontknow:
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on September 24, 2019, 09:59 AM
I just checked it out and it's weird. SRP is only reporting Tonto Creek at Rosey as being massively above normal water flow (3700% more than average). I was expecting the Verde River at Tangle to be high, but it's actually lower than the daily norm. I wonder if the storm just missed those mountain ranges or if the water flow hasn't made it that far yet. It's really strange!
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on September 24, 2019, 12:32 PM
Seeing all the FB posts of the massive waterfalls into Canyon and Sag...and the trajectory of the storm I can’t imagine it missing Roosevelt and NE of it. Fill my Lakes.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on September 24, 2019, 04:51 PM
I just checked it out and it's weird. SRP is only reporting Tonto Creek at Rosey as being massively above normal water flow (3700% more than average). I was expecting the Verde River at Tangle to be high, but it's actually lower than the daily norm. I wonder if the storm just missed those mountain ranges or if the water flow hasn't made it that far yet. It's really strange!

3700% not a surprise normally this time of year it is 0%

SRP had to release from granite reef due to large runoff in the lower salt lakes caused by the big fire up there this summer (g and f is worried about all the slurry and ash going into those lakes :dontknow: :()
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on September 24, 2019, 04:54 PM
I saw the Salt River was flowing a little through Phoenix at lunch today, so you know the salt chain of lakes got some good runoff.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on November 20, 2019, 08:32 PM
Bump.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on November 20, 2019, 08:55 PM
Well... I still don't know how to figure out how much water is coming into San Carlos, but it looks like Bartlett has gone up 1.5 feet since yesterday while Horseshoe has still dropped almost a foot. That tells me they're releasing from both lakes.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on November 21, 2019, 07:03 AM
Well... I still don't know how to figure out how much water is coming into San Carlos, but it looks like Bartlett has gone up 1.5 feet since yesterday while Horseshoe has still dropped almost a foot. That tells me they're releasing from both lakes.

SRP switched releases, I think to lower Canyon and Saguaro lake for the anticipated runoff from this storm so they are releasing from saguaro now more than Bartlett and bigger releases from horseshoe so Bartlett for now is coming up some but I am sure will be cold and muddy :crybaby2:.  Strange the flows in the Verde above horseshoe not that much or the agua fria going into pleasant and they have had 3+" of rain up in the foothils :dontknow:
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: OneBlade on November 21, 2019, 07:22 AM
Well... I still don't know how to figure out how much water is coming into San Carlos
The San Carlos page is a mess designed in 1993 but I'm sure there's a way to view input water somewhere.  I tend to just glance at it a few days after a storm to see if it went up.

https://nwis.waterdata.usgs.gov/az/nwis/uv?cb_all_=on&cb_00054=on&cb_00065=on&cb_00065=on&format=gif_default&site_no=09469000&period=730&begin_date=&end_date=
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fish Hawk on November 21, 2019, 07:42 AM
Its been raining up here for 2 days now. Some of the rain is running but most is soaking in. No snow in Payson.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on November 21, 2019, 10:42 AM
Strange the flows in the Verde above horseshoe not that much or the agua fria going into pleasant and they have had 3+" of rain up in the foothils :dontknow:

I didn't check out the Agua Fria, but I did check out Tangle on the Verde River was shocked to see the flow so low considering how much rain we got. It's strange. Hopefully we get another nice storm or two roll through in the next 24 hours.

The San Carlos page is a mess designed in 1993 but I'm sure there's a way to view input water somewhere.  I tend to just glance at it a few days after a storm to see if it went up.

Yeah, I've looked at that page before, but it's so bad that I don't like to even reference it. I tried looking at the feeder rivers water flow and that was hard to understand.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on November 21, 2019, 04:00 PM
Tonto creek is only 454cfs after all the rain in payson, salt river running a little more but still not much from verde side or agua fria? guess we were real dry and the rain must of come down more as a drizzle than like 2" in an hour.

Matt that USGS site is the only place I have found for flows into Carlos both going in and out of the lake plus a vague lake level. It shows both the Gila river and the San Carlos river (which at times can rock and roll from run off).
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on November 22, 2019, 05:46 AM
looking at river flows absolutely nothing going into Alamo :crybaby2: Bartlett has come up 2' since the storm started but might be due to reduced releases from the lake and bigger releases from horseshoe :dontknow:
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on November 22, 2019, 09:43 AM
It's really confusing how little the lakes have moved with how much precipitation we've received. I don't know if it's soaking into the ground and not moving or what.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on November 29, 2019, 10:02 AM
Whole bunch of water heading toward Alamo lake combined rivers/creek right at 20,000cfs, has a long way to go to get to the lake but with the ground somewhat saturated from the last storm some of it may get there? if that much water hits the lake it will come up feet an hour.

Lots of water in the verde going into horseshoe lake and the tonto creek is rocking and rolling going into Roosevelt.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on November 29, 2019, 10:28 AM
Thanks Fishless.....fill my Lakes!!!
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on November 29, 2019, 10:55 PM
As of 9:00PM almost up a full foot today. Can’t wait for the tsunami to hit.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on November 30, 2019, 06:54 AM
Up about 2' this morning :headbang: more water for the CORP to release to water the trees down stream :angry4:  river flows are dropping off and the gauge on the Santa Maria river in not working stuck at (0)
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on December 05, 2019, 10:10 PM
Wow....Alamo took off today and looks like the Verde is really flowing hard. Fill My Lakes!!!!!!
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: OneBlade on December 28, 2019, 03:26 PM
Roosevelt up to 70%: https://streamflow.watershedconnection.com/Dwr

Bartlett 67% with Horseshoe 38%.  Bartlett changes so much never really sure what's good or bad for that lake this time of year.

San Carlos went up: https://nwis.waterdata.usgs.gov/az/nwis/uv?cb_all_=on&cb_00054=on&cb_00065=on&cb_00065=on&format=gif_default&site_no=09469000&period=&begin_date=2017-12-28&end_date=2019-12-28

I went to the Alamo lake level website and my browser gave a security warning so avoided going in.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on December 28, 2019, 04:06 PM
Alamo came up another 2' in the last day or so it is only 4+ feet from full pool which will be interesting what the CORP does? flows just came up some up stream of Alamo so I think some snow is melting up in the foothills?
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on February 22, 2020, 02:03 PM
Just keep raining.....just keep raining.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on February 23, 2020, 08:51 AM
Roosie up 1 full foot yesterday with flows that look insane!!!!!
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on February 23, 2020, 04:08 PM
Ya, Alamo water shed nothing going on, very little down the Verde other than what it has been and the Agua Fria nothing much but man both Tonto creek and Salt river are rocking and rolling although starting to drop down some now and they are releasing water from granite reef down the river bed because of local rain on the water shed on the lower salt river lakes.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on February 24, 2020, 03:15 PM
San Carlos is getting a pretty good shot of water both from the Gila and San Carlos river today. Probably a wee bit muddy now
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: OneBlade on February 26, 2020, 06:14 PM
Rosy now at 80%: https://streamflow.watershedconnection.com/Dwr
Is Schoolhouse ramp open?
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: IAMMAC on February 26, 2020, 07:10 PM
Don't get me wrong all this water is great but it's putting all that habitat that they put in even deeper..... :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2:
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on February 27, 2020, 05:57 AM
Rosy now at 80%: https://streamflow.watershedconnection.com/Dwr
Is Schoolhouse ramp open?

School house ramp has been open all winter, was there 2 months ago during duck season it was open and dock was in the water
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on March 02, 2020, 03:32 PM
Just checked out my weather app, and it looks like it's coming down pretty good north and east of the feeder river for Alamo. Might see that come up a little.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 10, 2020, 04:36 PM
If we get as much rain as they say we are going to get even Alamo it will be filled lakes, spilling and releases being made from all over the state, really muddy up and cool the water down (darn)
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on March 10, 2020, 05:46 PM
If we get as much rain as they say we are going to get even Alamo it will be filled lakes, spilling and releases being made from all over the state, really muddy up and cool the water down (darn)

As long as it's all settled down within 3 weeks, I'm okay with it. :)
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 11, 2020, 07:50 AM
good luck with that, and now there is another storm due in next week, fish gods are not treating us well just when the crappie are on the move :crybaby2:
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: craigm on March 11, 2020, 10:03 AM
good luck with that, and now there is another storm due in next week, fish gods are not treating us well just when the crappie are on the move :crybaby2:
   Bruce , the glass is half FULL !
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 11, 2020, 04:00 PM
Glass is going to over flow I am afraid, rumor has it SRP anticipates the lakes will fill and spill and they will be sending water down the salt to Mexico some time this week toward the weekend? they have already increased flows out of horseshoe lake
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 12, 2020, 03:05 PM
rivers are flowing big time, verde, agua fria santa maria etc. all the lakes are coming up, don't think the big water has hit alamo yet
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Bob on March 12, 2020, 05:40 PM
Big cell approaching Alamo right now from the west.  Could easily take it up to conservation pool but since contractor still hasn't done chit we can bet on them dumping it all down the drain again.  Sure would be nice of them to leave the water until the contractor has actually mobilized and is ready to work.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 13, 2020, 05:44 AM
10,000cfs heading down the the 3 feeder rivers going into Alamo (correction 25,000cfs is now coming down Burro creek) and I am thinking the river bottom is still saturated could be interesting, Agua Fria running at 17,200cfs and big flow in the Verde, Tonto and Salt going to be muddy mess for a while I am sure they will dump horseshoe lake now any day.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: craigm on March 13, 2020, 08:50 AM
 In Sun City 2.5 inches in the Rain gauge since Monday , I think it is going to be a great spawn in AZ
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 13, 2020, 04:52 PM
Alamo up 4' today getting near trigger point where the CORE is required to release water for flood control, SRP dumping horseshoe lake into Bartlett so it will fill within a few days with cold muddy water, no releases from Bartlett, Rosy getting lots of water from both ends. I just had a huge thunderstorm come through 1.03" of rain and hail in about 20 mins I am just at 3" for this storm since it started and another colder storm next week.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 14, 2020, 08:54 AM
Alamo up over 8' since yesterday and still rising :o, thought is they may start releasing water Monday (under the flood control guide lines) and it is several feet over full pool right now
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Bob on March 14, 2020, 09:43 AM
Remember that the Corp cares nothing about the fishing or recreational use of the lake.  They will likely do the worst thing possible for users and wait until the spawn to suddenly drop it.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Bob on March 15, 2020, 06:41 AM
Woke up to 5575 cfs releasing from Horseshoe.  Bartlett is going to fill very fast now.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 15, 2020, 07:31 AM
Park ranger at Alamo says they will start releasing water from the lake Monday morning, be interesting how much how fast to bring it back to flood control full pool :dontknow:
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Bob on March 16, 2020, 06:46 PM
Park ranger at Alamo says they will start releasing water from the lake Monday morning, be interesting how much how fast to bring it back to flood control full pool :dontknow:

The dude probably had the sniffles and cannot release the water from his home on LA.  LOL  No increased released yet...
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 16, 2020, 09:05 PM
Word is they will start releasing 500 CFS starting tomorrow afternoon
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 17, 2020, 06:15 PM
It has started at Alamo and they may increase to 1000cfs

SRP just increased flows out of horseshoe to 1950cfs and little going out of Bartlett so it is going to fill faster now
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: OneBlade on March 19, 2020, 05:02 PM
Roosevelt at 91% wow.  San Carlos at last year's level. Alamo lake website has security certificate warning not sure why so I don't check that site.

Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on March 19, 2020, 06:22 PM
Alamo is 6' over full pool right now, so they're over 100%! Every time I hear of Alamo being over 100% I think about the time when it was so full, you could fish the ramadas.  :headbang:
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 19, 2020, 08:04 PM
Matt word is they don't want to increase flows out of Alamo if they don't have to because of the muddy water into Havasu, heck the lake came up another foot+ today even with the releases. Buddy came home early by two days from bass fishing as it was terrible and the lake is now complete mud and will probably stay that way for a month as they pull water from the lake.

Bartlett if they keep the releases up from horseshoe should fill to 100% probably by tomorrow or the next day.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: ffp1711 on March 19, 2020, 08:10 PM
Buddy came home early by two days from bass fishing as it was terrible and the lake is now complete mud and will probably stay that way for a month as they pull water from the lake.

Bruce, was this Alamo or Havasu that your buddy fished?
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 20, 2020, 04:01 PM
It was Alamo, he came home early as the entire lake went mud when they started releasing water then it got another shot of water the last two days, plus cholla ramp is closed for the foreseeable future.

Bartlett and horseshoe are basically full they have started releasing water from Bartlett to flow down the salt river through the valley, probably bring the muddy water all the way down lake now :crybaby2:
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on March 30, 2020, 12:20 PM
Just checked out the water levels on the "Big 8" desert lakes, and all of them are over 95% full.

The lowest is Lake Pleasant at 95.5%
Alamo is the one most full, sitting approximately at 110% full.

Obviously Roosevelt holds the most water, but it's at 97% full.

Horseshoe is at 99% and Bartlett is at 100%. Not sure what to expect with water release there because water is still coming into Horseshoe twice as fast as it usually does this time of year.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 30, 2020, 04:13 PM
Actually Alamo at 99% is just the full pool level for releases that lake can hold a whole bunch more water to be a true 100%
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on March 30, 2020, 05:20 PM
I'm just referring to the "full pool" levels they list on the website.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on March 30, 2020, 06:40 PM
I want a special award for starting the longest running forum topic.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on January 25, 2021, 01:02 PM
Bump....ready go!!!
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on January 25, 2021, 01:03 PM
Leave it to you to bump old topics. :-P
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on January 25, 2021, 01:14 PM
Looks like Bartlett and Horseshoe have gone down in elevation in the last week with no change over the last 24 hours.

Bartlett Dam has only recorded .13 inches of rain since midnight, but 1) I'm sure that will change and 2) Bartlett fills from the mountain runoff and horseshoe, so the rain it get at the lake doesn't matter.

With that said, Tangle Creek, which is the reader on the Verde that feed Horseshoe says they're only getting 250 cfps on average for the day. That's pretty weak with how much rain we've been getting here. They have recorded 1/4 inch of rain since midnight, but that's still weak.

It looks like they're releasing water as fast as it's coming in at both lakes. But, we still have tons of rain projected through the night and into tomorrow... Plus snow forecasted as low as New River!
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on January 25, 2021, 05:20 PM
It ain't over till its over
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fish Hawk on January 27, 2021, 08:30 AM
Plenty of snow up here for Rosey and Bart
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: OneBlade on July 24, 2021, 08:46 AM
With flooding in show low and multi day storms I’m curious how this will impact lake levels….. San Carlos filling up lol.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on July 24, 2021, 06:06 PM
With flooding in show low and multi day storms I’m curious how this will impact lake levels….. San Carlos filling up lol.

San Carlos gauge for the lake appears to be down :dontknow: there was a lot of water in San Carlos river coming into the lake last week or two but I worry it may be runoff from the Mescal fire which would mean lots of black wood, ash you name it some water flowing down the Gila river. Roosevelt getting some water Tonto creek was flowing pretty good for a couple days. Quite a bit of water coming down the Verde into horseshoe so if SRP dumps that lake like normal Bartlett should get some water. Sister says they have had 6+" or rain this month in the Heber area.

Alamo lake NADA :crybaby2: hardly any rain west of the valley.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Stevert on July 26, 2021, 08:49 AM
We measured 4.5 inches of rain in Anthem this event. 
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on July 29, 2021, 04:16 PM
Flash flooding all around Globe & Miami... Will that water flow into the salt and make it down to Rosey, or will is go toward the Gila?
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on July 30, 2021, 06:54 AM
Good question if it is flowing into Pinal creek it goes to Rosy don't know about other creeks but it appears to still be the black ash and gunk from runoff on the burn areas.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: sparkchaser on July 30, 2021, 02:33 PM
After last year I think we welcome anything that looks like water into our reservoirs. Have you seen the updates on the Colorodo chain. Not good, as Powell is at a record low.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-environment/2021/07/26/lake-powell-record-low-water-levels-colorado-river-drought/5378711001/
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on July 30, 2021, 04:09 PM
Ya it is bad lowest it has been since they filled it. Hardly any ramps in the water and still going down for several more months, same thing at Mead record low and minimal launch ramps available.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on July 30, 2021, 04:33 PM
I’m the most geographically challenged…but all 3 are flowing nice with Tonto the highest.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on August 01, 2021, 08:59 PM
Payson and north of Roosevelt looks like it’s getting pounded right now.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: apenland01 on August 02, 2021, 07:19 AM
I was told this weekend that all the water flowing through Miami went down the Pinal to Roosevelt...
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on August 11, 2021, 06:42 AM
No runoff but it looks like Alamo has come up about 1/3' from local storms right over the lake like last night :dontknow: its a start
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on August 13, 2021, 10:39 PM
Everything is getting POUNDED…..Fill My Lakes.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on August 18, 2021, 03:27 PM
Fill my lakes!!!
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on August 18, 2021, 03:31 PM
We could fill up horseshoe with the amount of flooding we got in the parking lot at work just now!
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on August 18, 2021, 05:43 PM
Poor Alamo still not getting anything even though Wickenburg has been getting hammered lately (wrong side of the mountain)

Tonto creek is ripping with flows
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on August 19, 2021, 01:48 PM
Roosevelt, Horseshoe, and Bartlett each all came up right around 2 feet!!!  Wow….2 feet for Roosevelt is a lot of water.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on December 24, 2021, 09:52 AM
Santa bringing lots of Snow and Rain to our East Side lakes. Hope this ends in being a great start to the Flagstaff snow base.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on July 28, 2022, 02:34 PM
Why are my lake levels NOT going up!!!!
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on July 28, 2022, 02:36 PM
Start flowing already!!!!
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on July 29, 2022, 02:49 PM
It is so weird, horseshoe getting a little water down the Verde but not like normal when we have big storms, Salt river got going and is calming down Tonto creek even though they have had a lot of rain in Payson area got up to 330CFS now is back down to like 150 and poor Alamo is getting nothing from the rivers up above the lake and yet flash flood warnings in Aguia and areas out that way, Auga Fria river going into Pleasant zilch dang ground must be sucking it up.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on July 29, 2022, 04:52 PM
I thought pleasant was going to have a good amount of water going to it because Crown King got 1.2" of rain. That's a lot of flow down the creeks.

I saw videos of flooding in Globe, I'm not sure that water makes it to the lakes. That goes down the Gila until it reaches the Salt in Tempe, right?
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on July 30, 2022, 05:41 PM
I thought pleasant was going to have a good amount of water going to it because Crown King got 1.2" of rain. That's a lot of flow down the creeks.

I saw videos of flooding in Globe, I'm not sure that water makes it to the lakes. That goes down the Gila until it reaches the Salt in Tempe, right?

Most of the creeks and washes up near Globe flow into the Salt end of Rosy but a few depending on how far south will flow into the Gila river some above and some below San Carlos. Still not much runoff anywhere in rivers and washes state wide :dontknow:
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fish Hawk on August 03, 2022, 08:13 AM
I got a little over 4" of rain at my house in Payson this past Monday alone. I lost around 5 tons of rock in my yard. It all went down the Verde.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on August 03, 2022, 09:13 AM
Where is all this water going. Very little seems to be hitting any of our bodies of water.  Roosevelt is only up 1 inch over the past 2 weeks. Makes no sense.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Stevert on August 04, 2022, 02:50 PM
Maybe the Chi-coms are buying all of that up too............
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on August 13, 2022, 04:54 PM
WOW :o Alamo has come up almost a foot :headbang: there has been water running down Burro Creek and the Big Sandy for over two weeks now but not in large amounts but right now flows way up stream are at 500+cfs so maybe just maybe some of the water has finally made it to Alamo :dontknow:
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on August 14, 2022, 08:37 PM
How are they all not filled. This is just nuts. San Fran Peaks have snow on them today.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on August 14, 2022, 09:12 PM
 
How are they all not filled. This is just nuts. San Fran Peaks have snow on them today.

:pics:
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on August 15, 2022, 10:36 AM
From yesterday....4 Drops backyard.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: apenland01 on August 15, 2022, 02:27 PM
There certainly could have been a hail storm that dropped some ice, but hard to believe it would be cold enough in any circumstance for straight up snow visible...
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on August 15, 2022, 02:52 PM
Alamo up over a foot, Verde still NADA much horseshoe at 6% it is strange :banghead:, only lake that has gotten much is San Carlos and heck it was a mud puddle
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on August 18, 2022, 07:06 PM
Where the heck is all this rain going?  Flooding in Flag is massive, munds park with like 9 inches, I guess I don't understand what down hill means.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on August 18, 2022, 07:28 PM
I wonder how Lake Mary looks.

I'm not entirely sure where the water from Doney park flows to.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on August 19, 2022, 05:25 AM
Muddy :dontknow:
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on August 23, 2022, 06:58 AM
Alamo lake is now 2' higher than when the monsoon started, seems like it should of got a lot more water with all the storms that hit the Bagdad area and along that mountain range :dontknow:

One lake that is getting a lot of water is San Carlos regrettably Duncan and other towns along the Gila river are flooding due to storm run off, of course the irrigation company will pull the lake right back down probably by fall :dontknow:
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on August 24, 2022, 06:26 PM
Roosevelt looks to be coming up about 6 inches a day with some nice water still flowing.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: apenland01 on August 29, 2022, 01:25 PM
Roosevelt looks to be coming up about 6 inches a day with some nice water still flowing.

Yep, be careful of the debris floating around.  We fished Friday and Saturday and managed one nice crappie.  Got on some bluegills and catfish Friday...
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on September 12, 2022, 03:36 PM
Must of had a good rain storm yesterday evening :dontknow: Alamo came up a foot since yesterday
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on September 13, 2022, 03:50 PM
2' in two days for Alamo :dance: :headbang:
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Tweeder on September 13, 2022, 03:52 PM
I noticed Carlos up to almost 10% from less than 1, if only it could hold water year round.....
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on September 15, 2022, 05:56 AM
Alamo made it up 3' this week but think the storms are about done for now came up over 5' this summer
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Tweeder on March 21, 2023, 08:26 PM
Gotta keep this thread going.
Roosevelt is 96% full and 3 feet from full pool
Bartlett is 93% full and 4.5 feet from full pool
Alamo is over 11 feet above full pool
Plez is 14 ft above full pool
San Carlos is 55% full which I wasnt sure we would ever see again
And Powell has 179 feet to go :(
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: OneBlade on March 22, 2023, 06:40 AM
The San Carlos one is most amazing (see link below for history on that). Now on Lake Powell you wrote 179ft to go.... is that to get Halls and Bullfrog ramps open? Do you have a useful website you use to see water levels for there? Have you heard anything about snowpack up there and if it has a chance of recovering slightly?

By the way, here are some useful links:
* SRP Lakes: https://streamflow.watershedconnection.com/Dwr
* Alamo Lake: https://resreg.spl.usace.army.mil/cgi-bin/slB2Hgl.cgi?Alamo+GOES-rev+Elev+Plot+180
* Lake Pleasant (CAP): http://www.cap-az.com/water/cap-system/water-operations/lake-pleasant/
* San Carlos: https://waterdata.usgs.gov/monitoring-location/09469000/#parameterCode=00054&startDT=2007-10-01&endDT=2023-03-22
* Lake Powell: https://lakepowell.water-data.com/
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on March 22, 2023, 10:30 AM
It's awesome to see how much everything has filled, but I hate seeing it all go through TTL and down to the Gila. Does anyone know if we have any water reclamation locations that would help fill our aquifers once it gets past TTL?
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 22, 2023, 03:34 PM
only thing that comes close to that is Painted Rock Dam down northwest of Gila Bend can hold the same amount of water as Roosevelt but CORE will release is gradually down the Gila to Yuma, with Pleasant so low this year wish there was a way for them to take some of that water flowing to Mexico from the salt and gila river and move it to Pleasant :'(
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on March 22, 2023, 03:41 PM
only thing that comes close to that is Painted Rock Dam down northwest of Gila Bend can hold the same amount of water as Roosevelt but CORE will release is gradually down the Gila to Yuma, with Pleasant so low this year wish there was a way for them to take some of that water flowing to Mexico from the salt and gila river and move it to Pleasant :'(

We don't want to connect Pleasant with the Salt, then those salt chain lakes run the risk of striper pollution! Isn't Pleasant 17' over full pool right now?

Also, there's big discussion about raising the Bartlett dam 90 more feet, that would be pretty cool if they do that. I sounds like it's going to happen, just several years down the road.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 22, 2023, 03:45 PM
CAP water is put in the salt river canals below any of the lakes and only in the Arizona canal so not an issue with stripers would be nice to flow water from salt to Pleasant since Gizzard shad are already in all of them or put salt river water into CAP from granite reef dam down to Tuscon so not so much water would be released from Pleasant :dontknow:. Pleasant full pool is 1702 and it is 15' lower than normal this time of year they have not pumped any water into it till recently only good thing is the river running into the lake is flowing 18,000cfs for now so that is bringing pleasant up some now
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: PhishingPhreek on March 22, 2023, 03:49 PM
I thought 1702 was the full pool (hence the sign up The River), but the water level websites I was checking out said full pool was only 1660. Someone updated the website incorrectly
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: OneBlade on March 22, 2023, 05:41 PM
Show Low Lake and Lake Mary spilling over
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Tweeder on March 22, 2023, 06:39 PM
I use that same link you have for lake powell, I meant 179ft until full pool. Its got a bit more to go than the others but good snowpack in the lower elevations of CO river basin means it should come up alot. Maybe 80ft if normal April weather happens Rich was telling me. He may have got that info off wayneswords but will have to check. 
My bad I got the lake Plez info wrong. Saw it here, http://pleasant.lakesonline.com/Level/
Should have used the link you had.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 22, 2023, 08:17 PM
I thought 1702 was the full pool (hence the sign up The River), but the water level websites I was checking out said full pool was only 1660. Someone updated the website incorrectly

That website has had the full pool wrong for years normally they pump water up to like 1694 they leave the rest for flood water if it happens
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: FishMan on March 22, 2023, 08:43 PM
I think I should get an award for the longest running topic thread in the history of the web page.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 23, 2023, 06:19 AM
I think I should get an award for the longest running topic thread in the history of the web page.

  :c029: :singing:
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Stevert on March 23, 2023, 12:42 PM
Bring on the Blue Cooler thread........you guys remember that one from AZBZ? I bet MAC does. 
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 23, 2023, 03:56 PM
Oh yes did that get big over nothing ;D
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: timbo on March 26, 2023, 08:40 AM
Why isn't Alamo lake going down?
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Bob on March 27, 2023, 03:12 PM
"Why isn't Alamo lake going down?"

Currently they are releasing 794 cubic feet per second from Alamo and since the level is not dropping my guess is there is a whole lot of guys peeing off the side of their boats...  Or the river that feeds it is still running at about the same rate as the dam's outflow.
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Bob on March 27, 2023, 03:25 PM
I think I should get an award for the longest running topic thread in the history of the web page.

For Pleasant I go directly to the source for pumping and releasing.  Currently they are releasing it for power generation.  https://www.cap-az.com/water/cap-system/water-operations/lake-pleasant/
Title: Re: Fill my Lakes
Post by: Fishless on March 27, 2023, 05:17 PM
Why isn't Alamo lake going down?

The CORE set up a release plan and followed it up to 6000cfs release from Alamo but only for two days (looks a lot like the riparian flush) they did back in 2018, then we had the big storm last week lake came up 8' so now only ramp useable at Alamo is the high water ramp with no dock the other two ramps including the parking lots are under water. The CORE is coming up with a plan B to release water from Alamo but has to be careful when they did the 6000cfs releases it sent muddy fire debris water into Havasu which caused the CAP to stop pumping water that is why you see releases from Pleasant instead of them normally pumping into the lake. They should start pumping into Pleasant mid week but as far as how CORE is going to drop Alamo without screwing up the CAP is yet to be seen (going to be interesting) and probably not good for the spawn of either crappie or bass :dontknow:
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