Arizona Crappie Association

Lake Reports => Bartlett => Topic started by: Fishless on April 12, 2019, 03:59 PM

Title: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Fishless on April 12, 2019, 03:59 PM
Just like they have done in the past when we have a wet winter and for no apparent reason SRP has increased water releases from Bartlett to over 1000cfs and only 400cfs out of horse shoe lake with lots of water still in horseshoe and with no plans to keep any water in horseshoe. Right when the crappie are on the move and the first group trying to spawn up shallow they drop the lake fast so the spawn is screwed up. All that nice flooded brush and now the crappie pull back. Wish people at SRP or on their board of directors were fishermen :angry4: :angry4:
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Rocko on April 13, 2019, 03:28 PM
 I just spent all morning at Bartlett trolling through thousands of crappie with no appetite. we caught one bass and lost one... :angry4:
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: 1953rocco on April 13, 2019, 09:13 PM
You need to understand that SRP operates the dam for the Bureau of Reclamation and that water in the lakes is for agriculture purposes. In addition, since the state never approved the construction of Orme Dam many years ago, Bartlett and Horseshoe can not hold the water that is still to come from snowmelt. Greater flows would need to take place later if flows are not adjusted now. And, yes, I like to fish Bartlett for crappie as much as the next guy. I am a retiree of SRP and know many Board and management folks that like to fish and hunt. So your criticism of them is unwarranted.
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: craigm on April 13, 2019, 11:01 PM
Criticism is warranted when bureaucracy continues to champion poor practices . A bit of common sense on the part of all concerned parties could result in modifying a rigid policy to a just to changing conditions to benefit all parties use of the resource . Without criticism things will never change . It is a shame that folks like yourself can identify the problem then claim "nothing can be done "  "because " . I worked in Government both State and Federal for 34 years and fully understand that to rock the boat and make waves , can be the career kiss of death ,but you are retired to see something that needs change and respond that criticism is unwarranted is unwarranted . Surely you have identified the very folks who could work for and influence a more flexible policy that could benefit all of the stake holders both commercial and recreational . Bruces criticism seem to have ignited that concern perhaps we can find a way for the SRP and the Bureau of Reclamation to hold the water for bit longer to allow a more successful spawn ,maybe common sense , perhaps political , perhaps the courts through environment concerns ? surely there is a way , but silence will not do it . 
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Fishless on April 14, 2019, 07:25 AM
I just spent all morning at Bartlett trolling through thousands of crappie with no appetite. we caught one bass and lost one... :angry4:

Rocko has the lake cleared at all since last week? buddy said couple days ago it is still read muddy with visibility down to a foot? Also don't know where you launched but could you tell if the TNF left SB launch open this weekend?
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Rocko on April 14, 2019, 07:36 AM
No the lake is still very murky.... hopefully there is a good report from the fellas up in Roosevelt .  I have yet to catch a crappie this year... :crybaby2:
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Fishless on April 20, 2019, 06:30 AM
Well things have changed :dance: SRP for the last week has balanced out the releases from horseshoe and Bartlett. 1000cfs out of horseshoe and 1000 going out of Bartlett so if things stay that way with a stable lake the crappie hopefully will get to baby making :headbang:
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Rocko on April 22, 2019, 11:43 AM
Fishless I sure hope you are right... I'm going to give it another shot this weekend.  I need to catch some crappie!  4 trips so far 0 crappie.   :crybaby2:
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: PhishingPhreek on April 22, 2019, 01:12 PM
Fishless I sure hope you are right... I'm going to give it another shot this weekend.  I need to catch some crappie!  4 trips so far 0 crappie.   :crybaby2:

Are you moving around the lake or fishing the same areas? I think I saw a post where you said you graphed them everywhere, but couldn't get them to bite. Are you trolling or pounding the shoreline?
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Rocko on April 23, 2019, 05:12 AM
Trolling double riged grub tipped with minnows.   We tried trolling with long and short  lines..   we  trolled everywhere....coves, green Cliffs, upriver in the trees.  Most of the crappie we marked  seems to be headed for coves.   we trolled through so many fish I'm surprised we did not snag one! They dont seem to want to eat yet.
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: PhishingPhreek on April 24, 2019, 09:57 AM
I know the ones up the river have TONS of shad to eat, so I feel like getting them to bite might be tough.
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Fishless on April 24, 2019, 04:50 PM
I was hoping Bartlett might be clearing up? drove over two canals yesterday running errands finally stopped at one got out and the water in the canals from Bartlett is still just absolutely dark brown!!
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Bob on April 24, 2019, 06:31 PM
The lake is still dingy but the spawning spots I know of should be working for them.  Best thing I think for the spawn is the lake is not falling enough to ruin nests, and shouldn't be through this spawn if the current horseshoe release stays the same until it mostly empty.  The incoming warm water from horseshoe is not cooling the Bartlett temps.  Could be a very good spawn this year.   
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Fishless on April 24, 2019, 08:50 PM
Ya lake is going to go up now which is a lot better than down, May 11th SRP will start to release water from Saguaro for he tubers so will be interesting how things balance out.
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Razor on May 11, 2019, 08:49 AM
Anyone having any luck?  Heading there Friday hoping things have picked up. 
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: PhishingPhreek on May 13, 2019, 05:40 PM
Haven't been out there in over a month. Getting a new motor put in my truck, so I haven't been able to pull the boat anywhere!
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Fishless on May 15, 2019, 06:47 AM
Haven't been out there in over a month. Getting a new motor put in my truck, so I haven't been able to pull the boat anywhere!

New motor in the truck?
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: PhishingPhreek on May 15, 2019, 10:41 AM
New motor in the truck?

Yup, new motor. I was a victim of Chevy's Active Fuel Management (AFM) and my 6th cylinder lifter got stuck which ultimately resulted in the push rod getting bent and destroying the lifter (which was my fault for driving it with a stuck lifter). Additionally, the spark plugs in cylinder 6 and 1 had oil on them, and cylinder 7 was burning the plugs.

A new motor installed was about $1200 more than to repair/rebuild my current motor, so I went that route. AFM system had to be replaced, which included a new VLOM, new high pressure oil pump, new lifters, new rods, and potentially a new camshaft. New motor doesn't have AFM so I'll always run with all 8 cylinders and it comes with a 100k mile/3 year warranty on all long block parts. 
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Fishless on May 15, 2019, 04:54 PM
WOW!! thought your chevy was fairly new? no warranty? those years were 5 yr 100,000 drive train warranty I thought? big bill.
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: PhishingPhreek on May 15, 2019, 05:05 PM
WOW!! thought your chevy was fairly new? no warranty? those years were 5 yr 100,000 drive train warranty I thought? big bill.

No, not really new. It's a 2011 with 129,000 miles. I've had it about 6 years now.
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Fishless on May 16, 2019, 05:30 AM
Oh how time flies, good luck with the repairs.
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Fish Hawk on May 16, 2019, 07:05 AM
On the news last night they said SRP is going to keep pulling water from Verde system till July when Horseshoe is empty.
Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Fishless on May 16, 2019, 04:24 PM
On the news last night they said SRP is going to keep pulling water from Verde system till July when Horseshoe is empty.

Yup, 0 percent to keep bass and crappie from eating the endangered fish in the lake :angry4:
 

Title: Re: Here we go again with SRP inceasing releases from Bartlett
Post by: Fishless on May 17, 2019, 04:52 PM
On the news last night they said SRP is going to keep pulling water from Verde system till July when Horseshoe is empty.

Crappie and Bass are non-native fish in horseshoe (what a shame used to be a great fishing lake)

https://www.azfamily.com/news/salt-r...d52520ac4.html